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Observing Vietnam as Indonesia’s Startup Destination for Expansion

The expansion success story is one of the benchmarks for business growth; It’s no wonder that many founders openly conveyed this ambition on various occasions. Starting from national, regional, then global expansion. In the Indonesian startup ecosystem, several players have enough courage to expand overseas. The level is still regional, trying to work on the market in Southeast Asian countries.

Judging from the existing trend, expansion is generally carried out for two purposes. First is strengthening business operations, Singapore and India are by far the most favorite. Startups create operational offices or R&D centers. Second, the expansion opens up new market shares, increases users, and business traction. For this purpose, Vietnam looks more promising and becomes a priority.

Currently, there are several local startups that are also offering their services in Vietnam. Call it Gojek, Ruangguru, Traveloka, and PasarPolis. In a virtual discussion opportunity held by the Indonesian Embassy in Hanoi on August 12, 2020, Traveloka representatives said that before the pandemic their business had seen good growth and after the pandemic, various plans had been made including collaboration with various parties.

The Indonesian Ambassador to Vietnam, Ibnu Hadi, in the discussion entitled “Digital Economy Opportunities in Indonesia and Vietnam” said the government would help “open the door” for Indonesian startups to open markets to Hanoi. Efforts have been made, including to intensively starting collaborations with players in the startup ecosystem there.

Several venture capitalists from Indonesia have also provided funding for Vietnamese startups. In the early stages, there are Venturra, East Ventures, and Alpha JWC Ventures; while at the next stage there are Openspace, Northstar, EV Growth.

About Vietnam market

East Ventures’ partner, Melisa Irene told DailySocial on the promising Vietnam’s internet market. Compared to Indonesia, she said the ecosystem development is 3-4 years behind Indonesia. East Ventures has also invested in two startups there, CirCo (coworking space operator) and Kim An Group (fintech lending for SMEs).

Melisa Irene
Melisa Irene / East Ventures

“Vietnam is potential because its second largest population after Indonesia, the majority age is very young, and Vietnam has recently opened its economy to the global market. This will accelerate the growth of the digital economy in Vietnam in the next few years,” Irene added.

Kim An Group’s Series A funding was successfully closed last week. Apart from East Ventures, Patamar Capital is also involved in the round. Patamar Capital is also a fairly active venture capitalist in the Indonesian ecosystem. They operate in several countries in Southeast Asia and have representatives (partners) in each region.

We had the opportunity to interview Patamar Capital’s partners, Dondi Hananto (Indonesia) and Shuyin Tang (Vietnam).

Working daily with the ecosystem, Shuyin admits that Vietnam are still several years behind Indonesia. However, if you look at the continued development, he feels optimistic about the future of the digital startup. The infrastructure development and solid talent underlie this argument.

Regarding fintech, the most developed business landscape in the region, Shuyin said that in Vietnam, the sector tends to be more controlled compared to other countries. The State Bank of Vietnam released a very limited number of licenses for fintech, both for payment platforms, loans, and other business models.

“Alyhough, digital payments is a fairly active space in Vietnam. Momo recently announced that it has reached 20 million users since it was launched 10 years ago. Other well-known players are Moca (partnered with Grab) and ZaloPay. Gojek also announced to have taken a majority stake in WePay, which means we will finally be able to enjoy GoPay,” Shuyin explained.

The business climate is also different compared to Indonesia. As of August 2020, there are 158 p2p lending startups registered with the OJK in Indonesia. Meanwhile in Vietnam, Shuyin observed the conditions are the opposite, it can be said that fintech lending is more complicated. Related startups must collaborate with existing financial institutions, both from banking and non-banks. There is no “multi-finance enterprise” model in Vietnam, nor is there a specific legal framework for p2p lending.

“I have to say that it is more difficult for lending-focused companies to debut in Vietnam. These companies operate in the ‘gray zone’ or have to partner with banks. And once you reach a certain scale, operating in that zone is not an option, it has to be. find a way to get a license fast. Usually, this process will be long and expensive,” she added.

Shuyin Tang
Patamar Capital’s Partner, Shuying Tang / Patamar Capital

Aside from fintech, in Patamar Capital’s thesis, there are also several startup landscapes that are prioritized in the Vietnamese market, such as healthtech, edutech, logistics, and SME empowerment services.

Vietnam’s market characteristic

Venturra is one of the venture capitalists from Indonesia who has set foot and a dedicated team in that country. Venturra Partner Raditya Pramana reveals his analysis to DailySocial on why Vietnam has become attractive to founders planning expansion.

He said, when talking about market share, once an Indonesian startup wants to expand regionally, they will be presented with two options: the Philippines and Vietnam.

“After Indonesia, a country with a large population are the Philippines and Vietnam. If we compare the two options, the complexity is decisive. The Philippines is an archipelago, separated; while Vietnam is only divided into two large regions, one Hanoi in the north and the other in Ho Chi Minh City. in the South. It’ll become an entry point that makes it easier for companies to build their presence,” Raditya said.

An interesting fact, Raditya also highlighted the talents. Whereas in Indonesia, startups tend to find business talent easier and find it difficult to get technical talent, Vietnam is quite the opposite with less business talent, while technical talent is easier and more affordable. This can also be a consideration for digital startups who want to build a base in the country.

“In terms of market size, it is not as big as in Indonesia, but the development can be very fast. As is known, they also get momentum due to the trade war between the United States and China. There are many manufacturing companies there. The political reforms that have taken place in recent years have provided many opportunities for growth. economy, including making it easier for foreign companies to be there,” Raditya continued.

Raditya Pramana
Venturra’s Partner, Raditya Pramana / Venturra

Venturra’s solid vision has been shown by placing a team in Vietnam since March 2020 to be directly involved in its ecosystem. In Q1 of this year, they have invested in two Vietnamese startups, while the target is to reach 5-7 startups. The pandemic requires Raditya and the team to make many adjustments to their investment plans.

“Our main focus is clearly in Indonesia because we are a local company and understand this market better. However, when talking about foreign markets, we have two targets, Vietnam, then Singapore [because it is a regional business hub],” he said.

As a country with the potential for market expansion, Shuyin gave his view. Vietnam is a naturally growing market that needs to be considered for regional expansion. Interestingly, from his observations in Vietnam, after Covid-19, interest in investing in the country shot up. Including because of Vietnam’s successful strategy in stemming the impact of the pandemic.

“In my opinion, at the top level, yes, Indonesia and Vietnam have similar characteristics. A young population, increasing income, maturing technology ecosystem, etc. However, one thing that the team has seen time and time again is that there are many local nuances and this difference becomes important,” Shuyin said.

Another Patamar Capital partner, Dondi Hananto, added that he agreed with the many similarities. “When you are in Jakarta or Ho Chi Minh City, or in Hanoi or Surabaya, you will find traffic everywhere, and millions of motorbikes. But a closer look, local nuances will be very important in understanding customer behavior.”

“For example, on my trip to Vietnam, I never set foot in a mall. Yes, we have meetings in cafes or restaurants, but not in shopping centers. It’s different from every day in Jakarta, usually before the pandemic I often held meetings at malls, even our offices are in the coworking space inside the mall. While this may seem trivial, I believe things like this affect the way customers behave and may shape how businesses approach the market, “added Dondi.

Tips for startups

With these conditions, there are some tips for startups planning to open a market in Vietnam. First, as Irene said, understanding local business conditions needs to be a strong foundation for each founder. From East Ventures’ analysis, there are three challenges that must be considered, the limited talent at the mid-management level and above, changing regulations, and business practices based on relationships. All three are business executors that is very good at local dynamics.

If you look at the steps of Indonesian startups that are already present in Vietnam, it seems that this is appropriate. For example, what Gojek did by appointing local Phung Tuan Duc as CEO to localize the company’s business strategy there. Ruangguru has done something similar by developing a special brand and platform that is unique to local elements, Kien Guru.

Radit also mentioned that the managerial style must be adjusted for Indonesian startups to expand there. He sees that a community-driven strategy can be relevant, given the existing digital trends. Such as the growth of the social commerce business model, the popularity of Facebook, and others. “What is clear is that the Indonesian playbook cannot be fully replicated there. Customer behavior is different from Indonesia, you must have a strong leader there.”

As Dondi said, based on some of the similarities, founders also need to really understand the similarities in market share between these countries, find out what differences need to be adjusted. “In my opinion, expansion from Java to other islands in Indonesia is already very complicated due to differences in population density, infrastructure, behavior, recruitment, etc. Expanding to other countries is 100 times more complicated because you have to think hard about legal and operational barriers. , including language. ”

Dondi Hananto
Patamar Capital’s Partner, Dondi Hananto / Patamar Capital

And what was also emphasized was the selection of the right local team and partners. The realizations vary, for example through acquisition or acquihire as was done by Traveloka or Gojek, but it does require a high cost.

Why expand to Vietnam?

In Venturra’s portfolio, one startup has arrived in Vietnam, Ruangguru. However, Raditya did not really encourage his startup to quickly expand outside. He will recommend Vietnam as a destination, provided that the startup is really ready and feels that it has reached the best point in running its business on a national scale.

Meanwhile, according to Dondi, it is natural that Indonesian companies must have the will to expand regionally. Businesses must be prepared for these consequences, otherwise, it will be a waste of valuable resources and time. For some businesses, Indonesia’s domestic market is large enough, so that they can increase the maximum scale without expanding to other countries.

“We do have several business portfolios that have grown and are planning to expand to Vietnam, but we want to ensure that this is done carefully,” Dondi said.


Original article is in Indonesian, translated by Kristin Siagian
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Pandangan pemodal ventura tentang Vietnam sebagai tujuan ekspansi startup-startup di Indonesia / depositphotos.com

Menilik Vietnam sebagai Tujuan Ekspansi Startup Indonesia

Keberhasilan melakukan ekspansi adalah salah satu tolok ukur pertumbuhan bisnis; tak heran banyak founder terang-terangkan menyampaikan ambisi tersebut di berbagai kesempatan. Dimulai dari ekspansi nasional, regional, kemudian global. Di ekosistem startup Indonesia, beberapa pemain telah unjuk gigi melakukan perluasan ke luar negeri. Levelnya masih regional, mencoba menggarap pasar di negara-negara Asia Tenggara.

Melihat dari tren yang sudah ada, umumnya ekspansi dilakukan untuk dua kepentingan. Pertama adalah penguatan operasional bisnis, Singapura dan India sejauh yang paling favorit. Para startup membuat kantor operasional atau pusat R&D. Kedua, ekspansi membuka pangsa pasar baru, meningkatkan pengguna, dan traksi bisnisnya. Untuk kepentingan ini, Vietnam tampak lebih menjanjikan dan menjadi prioritas.

Saat ini, sudah ada beberapa startup lokal yang turut jajakan layanannya di Vietnam. Sebut saja Gojek, Ruangguru, Traveloka, dan PasarPolis. Dalam sebuah kesempatan diskusi virtual yang digelar KBRI Hanoi pada 12 Agustus 2020 lalu, perwakilan Traveloka menyampaikan, sebelum pandemi bisnis mereka mendapati pertumbuhan baik dan setelah pandemi pun berbagai rencana sudah dicanangkan termasuk kolaborasi dengan berbagai pihak.

Dubes RI untuk Vietnam, Ibnu Hadi, dalam diskusi bertajuk “Digital Economy Opportunities in Indonesia and Vietnam” tersebut mengatakan, pemerintah akan membantu “membuka pintu” bagi startup Indonesia yang ingin membuka pasar ke Hanoi. Upaya yang sudah dilakukan termasuk secara intensif memulai kolaborasi dengan pemain di ekosistem startup di sana.

Beberapa pemodal ventura dari Indonesia juga sudah lakukan pendanaan untuk startup Vietnam. Di tahap awal ada Venturra, East Ventures, dan Alpha JWC Ventures; sementara di tahap lanjutan ada Openspace, Northstar, EV Growth.

Tentang pasar Vietnam

Kepada DailySocial, Partner East Ventures Melisa Irene mengatakan, potensi pasar internet Vietnam saat ini menjanjikan. Jika dibandingkan dengan Indonesia, menurutnya perkembangan ekosistem di sana berada 3-4 tahun di belakang Indonesia. East Ventures sendiri sudah berinvestasi di dua startup di sana, yakni CirCo (operator coworking space) dan Kim An Group (fintech lending untuk UKM).

Melisa Irene
Partner East Ventures Melisa Irene / East Ventures

“Vietnam potensial karena populasinya kedua terbesar setelah Indonesia, mayoritas penduduk sangat muda, dan Vietnam baru beberapa tahun terakhir membuka perekonomian ke pasar global. Hal tersebut yang akan mengakselerasi  pertumbuhan ekonomi digital di Vietnam dalam beberapa tahun ke depan,” imbuh Irene.

Pendanaan Seri A Kim An Group sebenarnya juga baru berhasil ditutup pekan lalu. Selain East Ventures, Patamar Capital turut terlibat dalam putaran tersebut. Patamar Capital sendiri juga menjadi pemodal ventura yang cukup aktif di ekosistem Indonesia. Mereka beroperasi di beberapa negara di Asia Tenggara dan memiliki perwakilan (partner) di masing-masing wilayah.

Kami berkesempatan untuk mewawancara Partner Patamar Capital, yakni Dondi Hananto (Indonesia) dan Shuyin Tang (Vietnam).

Bekerja sehari-hari dengan ekosistem di sana, Shuyin mengakui bahwa kondisi di Vietnam masih tertinggal beberapa tahun dari Indonesia. Tapi jika melihat lanjut perkembangannya, ia merasa optimis tentang masa depan startup digitalnya. Perkembangan infrastruktur dan talenta yang solid melandasi argumen tersebut.

Terkait fintech, lanskap bisnis yang paling berkembang di regional, Shuyin berpendapat di Vietnam sektor tersebut cenderung lebih terkontrol dibandingkan dengan negara-negara lainnya. Bank Negara Vietnam merilis lisensi untuk fintech dengan jumlah yang sangat terbatas, baik untuk platform pembayaran, pinjaman, dan model bisnis lainnya.

“Meski begitu, pembayaran digital adalah ruang yang cukup aktif di Vietnam, ada Momo baru-baru ini mengumumkan telah mencapai 20 juta pengguna sejak diluncurkan 10 tahun lalu. Pemain lain yang cukup ternama adalah Moca (telah bermitra dengan Grab) dan ZaloPay. Gojek juga mengumumkan telah mengambil saham mayoritas di WePay, yang berarti kami akhirnya akan bisa menikmati GoPay,” terang Shuyin.

Iklim bisnisnya juga berbeda jika dibandingkan di Indonesia. Per Agustus 2020, di Indonesia ada 158 startup p2p lending yang terdaftar di OJK. Sementara di Vietnam, dari pantauan Shuyin kondisinya sebaliknya, bisa dikatakan fintech lending lebih rumit. Startup terkait harus bekerja sama dengan institusi keuangan yang sudah ada sebelumnya, baik dari perbankan maupun nonbank. Tidak ada model “perusahaan multifinansial” di Vietnam, juga belum ada kerangka hukum khusus untuk p2p lending.

“Jadi saya harus mengatakan bahwa lebih sulit bagi perusahaan yang fokus pada pinjaman untuk memulai di Vietnam. Perusahaan ini beroperasi di ‘zona abu-abu’ atau harus bermitra dengan bank. Dan begitu Anda mencapai skala tertentu, beroperasi di zona tersebut bukan pilihan, harus menemukan cara untuk mendapatkan lisensi yang cepat. Biasanya proses ini akan panjang dan mahal,” imbuhnya.

Shuyin Tang
Partner Patamar Capital Shuyin Tang / Patamar Capita

Selain fintech, dalam tesis Patamar Capital juga ada beberapa lanskap startup yang diprioritaskan di pasar Vietnam, yakni healthtech, editech, logistik, dan layanan pemberdayaan UKM.

Karakteristik pasar Vietnam

Venturra menjadi salah satu pemodal ventura asal Indonesia yang sudah injakkan kaki di sana dan memiliki tim yang didedikasikan di negara tersebut. Kepada DailySocial, Partner Venturra Raditya Pramana memberikan analisisnya soal mengapa Vietnam menjadi menarik bagi founder yang merencanakan ekspansi.

Ia berkata, saat berbicara tentang pangsa pasar, setelah suatu startup Indonesia ingin berekspansi secara regional, mereka akan disuguhkan dengan dua pilihan: Filipina dan Vietnam.

“Setelah Indonesia, negara yang memiliki populasi besar Filipina dan Vietnam. Kalau kita membandingkan dua pilihan tersebut, kompleksitasnya menentukan. Filipina berbentuk kepulauan, terpisah-pisah; sementara Vietnam cuma terbagi di dua wilayah besar, satu Hanoi di Utara dan satunya Ho Chi Minh City di Selatan. Jadi itu menjadi entry point yang lebih memudahkan untuk perusahaan membangun kehadirannya,” ujar Raditya.

Hal menarik yang juga disorot Raditya adalah seputar talenta. Jika di Indonesia startup cenderung lebih mudah mendapatkan talenta bisnis dan sulit mendapatkan talenta teknis, Vietnam kebalikannya talenta bisnis yang lebih sulit ditemui di sana, sementara talenta teknis lebih mudah dan terjangkau. Ini bisa menjadi pertimbangan juga bagi startup digital yang ingin membangun basis di negara tersebut.

“Dari segi besaran pasar memang belum sebesar di Indonesia, tapi perkembangannya bisa sangat cepat. Seperti diketahui, mereka juga dapat momentum akibat trade war antara Amerika Serikat dan Tiongkok. Banyak perusahaan manufaktur di sana. Reformasi politik yang terjadi beberapa tahun terakhir memberikan banyak peluang pertumbuhan perekonomian, termasuk memudahkan perusahaan luar untuk hadir di sana,” lanjut Raditya.

Raditya Pramana
Partner Venturra Raditya Pramana / Venturra

Keseriusan Venturra telah ditunjukkan dengan menempatkan tim di Vietnam sejak Maret 2020 untuk terlibat secara langsung dalam ekosistemnya. Di Q1 tahun inimereka sudah berinvestasi di dua startup Vietnam, sementara targetnya mencapai 5-7 startup. Pandemi mengharuskan Raditya dan tim melakukan banyak penyesuaian rencana investasi mereka.

“Fokus utama kami jelas di Indonesia, karena kami perusahaan di Indonesia dan lebih mengerti baik pasar ini. Tapi kalau berbicara tentang pasar luar negeri, maka target kami ada dua, yakni Vietnam, lalu Singapura [karena merupakan hub bisnis di regional],” kata Raditya.

Sebagai negara berpotensi untuk ekspansi pasar, Shuyin memberikan pandangannya. Vietnam adalah pasar yang tumbuh secara alami yang perlu dipertimbangkan dalam ekspansi regional. Menariknya, dari pengamatannya di Vietnam, setelah Covid-19, minat terhadap investasi di negara tersebut melesat. Termasuk karena strategi keberhasilan Vietnam dalam membendung dampak pandemi.

“Menurut saya di level atas, ya, tentunya Indonesia dan Vietnam memiliki karakteristik mirip. Populasi muda, pendapatan terus meningkat, ekosistem teknologi makin matang, dan sebagainya. Tapi satu hal yang tim kali lihat berkali-kali ada banyak nuansa lokal, dan perbedaan ini penting,” ungkap Shuyin.

Partner Patamar Capital lainnya Dondi Hananto menambahkan, ia setuju tentang adanya banyak kesamaan. “Saat Anda berada di Jakarta atau Ho Chi Minh City, atau berada di Hanoi atau Surabaya, Anda akan menemukan kemacetan di mana-mana, dan jutaan sepeda motor. Namun jika diliat lebih dekat, nuansa lokal akan sangat penting dalam memahami perilaku pelanggan.”

“Misalnya dalam perjalanan saya ke Vietnam, saya tidak pernah menginjakkan kaki di satu mall pun. Ya, kami pernah rapat di kafe atau restoran, tapi tidak di pusat perbelanjaan. Beda dengan sehari-hari di Jakarta, biasanya sebelum pandemi saya sering melakukan meeting di mall, bahkan kantor kami ada di coworking space di dalam mall. Meskipun ini mungkin tampak sepele, saya yakin hal-hal seperti ini mempengaruhi cara pelanggan berperilaku dan mungkin membentuk bagaimana bisnis mendekati pasar,” imbuh Dondi.

Tips untuk startup

Dengan kondisi tersebut, ada beberapa tips yang disampaikan untuk startup yang merencanakan untuk membuka pasar di Vietnam. Pertama, menurut Irene, pemahaman kondisi bisnis lokal perlu menjadi landasan kuat bagi tiap founder. Dari analisis East Ventures, ada tiga tantangan yang harus diperhatikan, yakni terkait terbatasnya telenta di level mid-management ke atas, peraturan yang masih berubah-ubah, dan praktik bisnis berdasarkan relasi. Ketiganya membutuhkan eksekutor bisnis yang sangat menguasai dinamika lokal.

Jika melihat langkah startup Indonesia yang sudah hadir di Vietnam, sepertinya hal tersebut sudah sesuai. Misalnya yang dilakukan Gojek dengan menunjuk orang lokal Phung Tuan Duc sebagai CEO untuk melokalisasi strategi bisnis perusahaan di sana. Hal serupa dilakukan Ruangguru dengan mengembangkan brand dan platform khusus yang khas dengan unsur lokal, Kien Guru.

Radit menambahkan, gaya manajerial memang harus disesuaikan untuk startup Indonesia yang ingin ekspansi ke sana. Ia melihat, strategi community-driven bisa saja relevan, melihat dari tren digital yang ada. Seperti bertumbuhnya model bisnis social commerce, popularitas Facebook, dan lain-lain. “Yang jelas, playbook Indonesia tidak bisa direplikasi sepenuhnya di sana. Customer behaviornya beda dengan Indonesia, harus punya strong leader di sana.”

Menurut Dondi, atas dasar beberapa kemiripan tadi, founder juga perlu benar-benar memahami persamaan pangsa pasar antarnegara tersebut, mencari tahu perbedaan apa yang perlu penyesuaian. “Menurut saya, ekspansi dari Jawa ke pulau lain di Indonesia saja sudah sangat rumit karena perbedaan kepadatan penduduk, infrastruktur, perilaku, rekrutmen, dan lain-lain. Memperluas ke negara lain 100 kali lebih rumit karena Anda harus berpikir keras tentang hukum dan hambatan operasional, termasuk bahasa.”

Dondi Hananto
Partner Patamar Capital Dondi Hananto / Patamar Capital

Dan hal yang juga ditekankan adalah terkait pemilihan tim dan mitra lokal yang tepat. Realisasinya bermacam-macam, misalnya melalui acquisition atau acquihire seperti yang dilakukan Traveloka atau Gojek, tapi memang membutuhkan biaya yang mahal.

Dorongan untuk ekspansi ke Vietnam

Di portofolio Venturra, satu startup sudah hadir ke Vietnam, yakni Ruangguru. Namun Raditya tidak terlalu mendorong startupnya untuk cepat-cepat ekspansi ke luar. Ia akan merekomendasikan Vietnam sebagai tujuan, dengan catatan startup tersebut benar-benar siap dan dirasa sudah sampai titik terbaik dalam menjalankan bisnisnya di skala nasional.

Sementara menurut Dondi, wajar jika perusahaan Indonesia harus punya kemauan melakukan ekspansi regional. Bisnis harus siap menghadapi konsekuensi tersebut, jika tidak maka akan membuang-buang sumber daya dan waktu berharga. Untuk beberapa bisnis, pasar domestik Indonesia sudah cukup besar, sehingga mereka dapat meningkatkan skala maksimal tanpa ekspansi ke negara lain.

“Kami memang punya beberapa portofolio bisnis yang telah berkembang dan berencana untuk melakukan perluasan ke Vietnam, tapi kami ingin memastikan bahwa itu dilakukan dengan hati-hati,” terang Dondi.

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